Independent Commission on the Constitutional Future of Wales meeting: 28 September 2023

Co-chairs

• Laura McAllister
• Rowan Williams

Commission members

• Anwen Elias
• Miguela Gonzalez
• Lauren McEvatt
• Michael Marmot
• Albert Owen
• Philip Rycroft
• Kirsty Williams
• Leanne Wood

Item 3

• Gwern Gwynfil, Chief Executive, YesCymru

Item 4

• Rt Hon Mark Drakeford MS, First Minister of Wales
• Piers Bisson, Director European Transition, Constitution and Justice, Welsh Government
• Sophie Brighouse, Deputy Director, Constitution and Justice, Welsh Government
• David Rich, Head of Constitution, Welsh Government

Secretariat

• Gareth Morgan, Deputy Director and Head of Secretariat
• Carys Evans, Adviser
• Victoria Martin, Policy Lead
• Heulwen Mai Vaughan, Secretary
• Ruth Leggett, Head of Communications and Engagement
• Rhiannon Perkins, Engagement Lead
• Tessa Hajilambi, Office Manager

Apologies

• Shavanah Taj
• Gareth Williams

1. The co-chairs welcomed commissioners to the meeting, and noted apologies from Shavanah Taj and Gareth Williams.

2. The commissioners discussed the latest draft of the report and agreed revisions.

3. The co-chairs welcomed Gwern Gwynfil, Chief Executive of YesCymru, to the meeting. Gwern Gwynfil outlined YesCymru's thinking on independence, including the need to work towards a position where there was widespread support in Wales; the importance of the separation arrangements to be negotiated with the UK government; and the opportunities that independence could offer to Wales.

4. The co-chairs welcomed Mark Drakeford MS, First Minister of Wales. The First Minister set out his views on the devolution of justice and policing, international relations, and inter-governmental relations.

5. The co-chairs thanked the commissioners for their contributions.